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https://wiby.me/
https://wiby.me/donate/

This search engine is best in crawling Neocities, Geocities, Angelfire and Tripod type webpages

https://www.wolframalpha.com/

Wolfram Alpha Search engine the best the search engine could have been if Google didn't go in the advertising route for reasons related to VC's having stocks in that company.

https://www.curlie.org/

Curlie.org has a retro version of when Ask Jeeves, Yahooligans and Yahoo were at their height during the Dot Com Boom.

http://www.oldavista.com/

Oldavista a search engine that emulates Altavista.com in the 1990's.

https://searchmysite.net/

Search my site.net crawls "Independent and personal" sites. Note they mean Neocities type pages.

https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/sea ... n-indexes/

Here is a larger list of search engines and crawlers. Note most search engines like duckduckgo.com uses Bings results. Or Startpage uses Google results.

https://www.mojeek.com/

Mojeek crawls its own results.

https://gigablast.com/
https://www.alexandria.org/

https://gigablast.com/about.html

gigablast craws its own results too.

These are the known search engines as of 2022.
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thank you for sharing these! they're fun to look around - seeing old'avista hit me like a TRUCK :?
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coffeebug wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:52 pm thank you for sharing these! they're fun to look around - seeing old'avista hit me like a TRUCK :?
True and if you are wondering why Google does not index Neocities pages then go to Wiby.me and submit your site there and see if it gets hits.

Yes Google is not good not just for privacy reasons as mentioned but also because they don't index neocities more like Wordpress, Wix, facebook, Weebly and Squarespace pages via SEO software.






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Here are some pundits talking about Google and its dependence on advertising plus the effects on privacy.







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Unrelated in every way to the fact that I built it, I kinda like https://search.marginalia.nu/ 8)
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Here is a tour of Oldavista




http://www.frogfind.com/

Here is another search engine called Frog find.
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Here is my tour of the Curlie.org search engine.
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Great post/thread, @Blog47177.

I like https://searchmysite.net/ already from a quick browse.

Sometimes I don't know what I want to search for, so the search is useless. Having the directory available helps out discovering something new. This is why a lot of people and I loved Yahoo! back in the day.

Thanks for the videos; the ones I have watched have been interesting.

While I'm not a fan of Brave the Browser, I'll take their search engine for a run.
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Here are a few more Search Engines like Qwant, Peekier, One search, Ecosia, Give water, SwissCows, Kiddle, Neeva, OpenVerse, SlideShare, Just Watch, Search code. Woah I had no idea there are more search engines than that.
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Here is an ad for Gigablast.
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I went from duckduckgo to gigablast, back to duckduckgo, then to searx and then mojeek. I would not recommend ddg to anyone because it still harvests user data. Gigablast and searx just kinda suck for finding what you want in my experience. I'll have to try some of these other ones though...
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I personally recommend Startpage. I believe it uses the Google webcrawler while stopping all trackers in the process.
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Curlie looks mad cool... I might have to check that out. I just use DuckDuckGo and Google when that fails just because... I dunno, I don't bother too much about my search engine of choice. Maybe I should.
AlienFromPlanetZorg wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:00 amGigablast and searx just kinda suck for finding what you want in my experience. I'll have to try some of these other ones though...
Yeah, Searx is kinda unreliable but when it did give me more than 3 results, they were usually some prety accurate finds. For me it was like a middle ground between Google and DuckDuckGo's results. The only issue is that the instances I kept running into were kinda unreliable and either would return 0 results for basic keywords or just suddenly go offline for weeks at a time.
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AlienFromPlanetZorg wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:00 amI would not recommend ddg to anyone because it still harvests user data.
This is not the first time I've heard about this, but I've never really seen any satisfying proof. The one time they had a bit of an oopsie they were, from what I can gather, very transparant about it. This said I would leave DDG behind in a heartbeat if I could find any evidence it's indeed harvesting user data. So if you could help me, or point me in the right direction, I'd much appreciate it! :)
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sacrebisous wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:35 pm Curlie looks mad cool... I might have to check that out. I just use DuckDuckGo and Google when that fails just because... I dunno, I don't bother too much about my search engine of choice. Maybe I should.
AlienFromPlanetZorg wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:00 amGigablast and searx just kinda suck for finding what you want in my experience. I'll have to try some of these other ones though...
Yeah, Searx is kinda unreliable but when it did give me more than 3 results, they were usually some prety accurate finds. For me it was like a middle ground between Google and DuckDuckGo's results. The only issue is that the instances I kept running into were kinda unreliable and either would return 0 results for basic keywords or just suddenly go offline for weeks at a time.
the image results it gives really sucks though.
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Mantis Orientalis wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:29 pm I personally recommend Startpage. I believe it uses the Google webcrawler while stopping all trackers in the process.
hasn't startpage been partly owned by an advertising company now and the creator of startpage has resigned? i could be wrong when saying this.
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OppositeKeith wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:39 am
Mantis Orientalis wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:29 pm I personally recommend Startpage. I believe it uses the Google webcrawler while stopping all trackers in the process.
hasn't startpage been partly owned by an advertising company now and the creator of startpage has resigned? i could be wrong when saying this.
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OppositeKeith wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:39 am
Mantis Orientalis wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:29 pm I personally recommend Startpage. I believe it uses the Google webcrawler while stopping all trackers in the process.
hasn't startpage been partly owned by an advertising company now and the creator of startpage has resigned? i could be wrong when saying this.
https://www.techradar.com/news/duckduck ... -microsoft

I don't know if it's Startpage specifically but Duckduck go does have hidden tracking and advertising deals with Microsoft.
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Blog47177 wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:07 am
OppositeKeith wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:39 am
Mantis Orientalis wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:29 pm I personally recommend Startpage. I believe it uses the Google webcrawler while stopping all trackers in the process.
hasn't startpage been partly owned by an advertising company now and the creator of startpage has resigned? i could be wrong when saying this.
https://www.techradar.com/news/duckduck ... -microsoft

I don't know if it's Startpage specifically but Duckduck go does have hidden tracking and advertising deals with Microsoft.
thats something i found out last year. among other things like hiding results news about the war on ukraine and software like youtube-dl. i gave up on DDG and switched to Searx havent looked back since.
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I've been using Qwant lately... it's nice https://www.qwant.com/
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Blog47177 wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:07 am
OppositeKeith wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:39 am
Mantis Orientalis wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:29 pm I personally recommend Startpage. I believe it uses the Google webcrawler while stopping all trackers in the process.
hasn't startpage been partly owned by an advertising company now and the creator of startpage has resigned? i could be wrong when saying this.
https://www.techradar.com/news/duckduck ... -microsoft

I don't know if it's Startpage specifically but Duckduck go does have hidden tracking and advertising deals with Microsoft.
Well, time to switch to Mojeek.
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https://www.startpage.com/privacy-pleas ... -one-group
. Privacy One Group is a separate operating unit of System1, focused entirely on user privacy.

Startpage has created a “win-win” for internet users in the truest sense by offering personal privacy combined with the best search results on the web. With additional resources from Privacy One Group, Startpage plans to build more comprehensive product offerings and improved user experiences. We are so excited by the opportunity to continue to champion and innovate in support of personal privacy, and the right for people to choose what and when to share when browsing the web.

https://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/ ... ntent.html
. Silicon Beach ad-tech firm System1 has closed $270 million in financing.

Founded in 2013, the Venice, California-based company, formerly known as OpenMail, is an independent marketplace for keyword pay-per-click advertising.

System1 has developed a pre-targeting platform that identifies and unlocks consumer intent across channels including social, native, email, search, market research and lead generation rather than relying solely on what consumers enter into search boxes.
Now I found confirmation here that Startpage did do deals with an advertising company called system1 from Venice Beach, CA.



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Before I start, not a shill post!

I recently switched to Kagi because Google results were so poor. I always stuck with Google beforehand over the free privacy-focused search engines because I doubted anything free could actually be free and respect your privacy (where's the money coming from?), and at least I knew the kind of evil I was in for with Google.

Got absolutely sick to the back teeth of listicles though, tried a few extensions for filtering stuff out of my search results but they just left me with basically a blank page with just one result on it, which was... well, it just saved me the hassle of reading and ignoring almost 90% of the results.

Kagi is paid, which initally was a bit of turnoff for me but ultimately you're never going to have your privacy respected by anyone without a revenue stream. Kagi also has a bunch of nice features - you can ban sites from your search results, prioritise and deprioritise results, I just really love not seeing pinterest screw up my image results, and not seeing listicles, or other SEO gibberish. It's nice. I think the guy behind it made a small web search engine as well but I forgot the name of it.

Wiby also gets a lot of mileage for when I just want to surf rather than get answers / find something specific.
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Here is my page and I am starting a promotion in February to leave google for other places for search in this case I pick Curlie.org.
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Here is more on how Google became big and reached it's peaks.
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Kagi introduced new pricing today. Unlimited searches became a bit more expensive (2.5x) but there are now cheaper plans if you can get by with a set number of searches.

(I never paid for it even at 10$/mo - the trial gives 50 searches a month. Both months i tried, i ate those within two days. They do address this with a "pro" plan giving you 700 searches... or the unlimited plan... but they also claim that the average person search less than 100 times per month. What!)

What's interesting to me is they outright say that 10$ per month for unlimited searches is not sustainable for them. It seems a web search is a reasonalby expensive thing. If i'm expected to carry my own weight, i would need to be a lot more careful about it...
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sixeyes wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:09 am Kagi introduced new pricing today. Unlimited searches became a bit more expensive (2.5x) but there are now cheaper plans if you can get by with a set number of searches.

(I never paid for it even at 10$/mo - the trial gives 50 searches a month. Both months i tried, i ate those within two days. They do address this with a "pro" plan giving you 700 searches... or the unlimited plan... but they also claim that the average person search less than 100 times per month. What!)

What's interesting to me is they outright say that 10$ per month for unlimited searches is not sustainable for them. It seems a web search is a reasonalby expensive thing. If i'm expected to carry my own weight, i would need to be a lot more careful about it...
I saw that email come in this morning about the pricing change. I had actually cancelled my (paid) subscription a week or two ago because while Kagi's search results are solid, they're not so much better than my default (DuckDuckGo) to justify the extra expense for me personally.

That being said, I'm also a bit old school and have quite a bookmark collection, so the 200 searches/month might be doable for me. I imagine searching without ad revenue is quite expensive, but I think a larger part of the problem is that so many people have gotten into the habit of simply searching for everything regardless of context (IE searching for Yesterweb via Google to get to the site instead of just having it bookmarked, despite visiting it every day). That is going to be a hard mindset to shift since that sort of thing is directly counter to Kagi's pricing model.

I may resubscribe for a month just to see how far the 200 searches gets me.
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Rynn wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:50 pm That being said, I'm also a bit old school and have quite a bookmark collection, so the 200 searches/month might be doable for me. I imagine searching without ad revenue is quite expensive, but I think a larger part of the problem is that so many people have gotten into the habit of simply searching for everything regardless of context (IE searching for Yesterweb via Google to get to the site instead of just having it bookmarked, despite visiting it every day). That is going to be a hard mindset to shift since that sort of thing is directly counter to Kagi's pricing model.
Hehe, i have a habit of relying on the browser autocomplete.... To go here i type "for" and press enter, it will have completed to forum.yesterweb.org and all is well. Except like every third time i make a typo and accidentally search google for "foe", or similar. That's probably a significant portion of my searches 😅
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Wondrous list, thank you. It's difficult enough to surf today's "personal web," and the main way a lot of people are going to find ways to broadly search it is still by sharing those ways on forums like this.
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Cobra! wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:59 am Well, time to switch to Mojeek.
I’ve been using Mojeek for a while, and honestly, it’s not very good.

I realised that Disroot has a SearX instance, so decided to try that, and it’s way better! Sometimes it’s not as good as using one of the search engines on it’s own, but generally it does the job really well!
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Rynn wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:50 pm
sixeyes wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:09 am (..) (I never paid for it even at 10$/mo - the trial gives 50 searches a month. Both months i tried, i ate those within two days. They do address this with a "pro" plan giving you 700 searches... or the unlimited plan... but they also claim that the average person search less than 100 times per month. What!)

What's interesting to me is they outright say that 10$ per month for unlimited searches is not sustainable for them. It seems a web search is a reasonalby expensive thing. If i'm expected to carry my own weight, i would need to be a lot more careful about it...
(...)That being said, I'm also a bit old school and have quite a bookmark collection, so the 200 searches/month might be doable for me. I imagine searching without ad revenue is quite expensive, but I think a larger part of the problem is that so many people have gotten into the habit of simply searching for everything regardless of context (IE searching for Yesterweb via Google to get to the site instead of just having it bookmarked, despite visiting it every day). That is going to be a hard mindset to shift since that sort of thing is directly counter to Kagi's pricing model.

I may resubscribe for a month just to see how far the 200 searches gets me.
I had also recently seen the announcement! It made me think a lot. Just yesterday I was telling my partner about it, and he admitted he'd never really realized that a search costs money. I mean - most free search engines' business model *is* trying to get you to use them a lot!
I also have never thought about it too much. I had an idea of "it consumes energy" but it never translated properly in money, for example.

I absolutely won't be able to afford Kagi, either, and it's... Interesting, to me! The kind of lifestyle I have online is an expensive one! I am so used to googling up any problem, question, curiosity I might have. And they're a lot and might take many tries and rephrasing to find the right answer.

Like Starfia, I might actually try subscribing a month and trying my best to only search stuff when I *need* to. I am *very* guilty of doing a search just to click on the first result - mostly because I always thought of it as having no repercussions. Google an animal's name looking for Wikipedia - while I could've gone to Wikipedia myself in the first place. Using Google search to translate terms directly instead of opening up translator sites.

@Starfia - how do you usually manage your bookmarks? I use Firefox and have always struggled to wrap my head around them. I remember that I found it a bit difficult to create and manage folders and access them quickly. Do you have any tips for a person who hasn't used bookmarks since they were 13? :')
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