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Lately I've been going through neocities and man I wish people had never stopped with making their own websites. I mean, seriously, all of them feel so cool and unique. One thing I never liked about modern social media was that you can't really customize your own profile or etc without a lot of limitation- but with your own website? You have so much freeeeedom.

It's just rad exploring people's websites, and I wish more people did it. Everything feels so centralized now :/ it's boring lol. I noticed a lot of social MMO's like Second Life also unintentionally encouraged people to make their own websites, which I thought was kinda cool.
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Yeah, I miss that, too. I wish social media would all go away, and our landing pages, and profiles, would be our websites.

Gemini has actually been able to recreate the feel of the old decentralised web pretty well. While it does have some "capsules" (Gemini equivalent to websites) that could be described as social media, people don't talk about any social media feeds or profiles, but their capsules, and I always see links to blog entries on said capsules.
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Cobra! wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 6:00 pm Yeah, I miss that, too. I wish social media would all go away, and our landing pages, and profiles, would be our websites.

Gemini has actually been able to recreate the feel of the old decentralised web pretty well. While it does have some "capsules" (Gemini equivalent to websites) that could be described as social media, people don't talk about any social media feeds or profiles, but their capsules, and I always see links to blog entries on said capsules.
I knoooow. It's so fun clicking the links in peoples profiles to see their websites. Its so fun aaaa. So far just the yesterweb in general has been a great way to experience "The old web." in a way, for me. It def has the same energy.
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iv made some of my own websites using carrd bc im kind of a normie and theyre mostly just for trying to sell my art lol

i really wanna get into making somthing of my own on neocities tho x3 someday when i have the time to sit down and learn some html/css, i been going through some of the websites everyones linked here with my inspector just to see some of the guts behind it all XD idk what so much of it means

i really would like to have my own little corner thats just somewhere i can vibe tho, something about social media makes me feel so fake
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I hate the common notion nowadays that anything colorful and/or personalized is considered "too tacky" or "outdated" or whatever. This even extends beyond web design; Like in this story I remember where this mall that had fun decor all over the walls from the 80's was all getting painted over with just a plain white to make it look "modern".

Everything's just become as boring as hell.
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Veezle wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 8:26 pm I hate the common notion nowadays that anything colorful and/or personalized is considered "too tacky" or "outdated" or whatever. This even extends beyond web design; Like in this story I remember where this mall that had fun decor all over the walls from the 80's was all getting painted over with just a plain white to make it look "modern".

Everything's just become as boring as hell.
100% that, everything feels super boring and unpersonal. That's not to say I hate modern stuff, but most "Modern" has almost 0 character. Honestly, I adore tacky looking websites. They don't look outdated, they just look a bit unprofessional at most. But I love it- I love the dumb backgrounds and eyebleeding colors. I prefer it over a dull corporatized website. I want the personality of the web back.
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TropicalVoxel wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 2:39 am 100% that, everything feels super boring and unpersonal. That's not to say I hate modern stuff, but most "Modern" has almost 0 character. Honestly, I adore tacky looking websites. They don't look outdated, they just look a bit unprofessional at most. But I love it- I love the dumb backgrounds and eyebleeding colors. I prefer it over a dull corporatized website. I want the personality of the web back.
the unprofessional-ness is great, it makes it feel loved and handmade and lived in, it has that goodness u get from a home cooked meal. We need to have the personality back for sure!

u could argue that the sleek modern style is just as/more tacky in its own way probably too, if it has that cheap feel to it like it came out of some factory.
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Squid-Died wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 7:12 pm i really wanna get into making somthing of my own on neocities tho x3 someday when i have the time to sit down and learn some html/css, i been going through some of the websites everyones linked here with my inspector just to see some of the guts behind it all XD idk what so much of it means
html and css arent that complicated honestly. i recommend finding a website tutorial or something so you can get a grasp of the basics and once you do its really easy to do everything you want
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Veezle wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 8:26 pm I hate the common notion nowadays that anything colorful and/or personalized is considered "too tacky" or "outdated" or whatever. This even extends beyond web design; Like in this story I remember where this mall that had fun decor all over the walls from the 80's was all getting painted over with just a plain white to make it look "modern".

Everything's just become as boring as hell.
I think it's an attitude brought on my companies looking to save money on design and decor. Using just one or two colours is much cheaper than using loads of them.

It wouldn't be the first time companies influenced public attitudes to benefit their bottom line.
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juette wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 10:38 am html and css arent that complicated honestly. i recommend finding a website tutorial or something so you can get a grasp of the basics and once you do its really easy to do everything you want
its not the complexity just my lack of time i have trouble getting over rn ahah
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Cobra! wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 1:34 pm I think it's an attitude brought on my companies looking to save money on design and decor. Using just one or two colours is much cheaper than using loads of them.

It wouldn't be the first time companies influenced public attitudes to benefit their bottom line.
Sad but true. :(
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One aspect i really like about people rolling their own is that they also get to decide what it's for...

Social media, which is how people in general express themselves online i guess, is incredibly streamlined. Twitter is for twitter stuff, instagram for instagram stuff, etc. That in itself is not necessarily bad, but seeing what people come up with when presented with the blank canvas that is an empty website is just...! So good!

Not just the design itself but the content, the flow, pace, target audience, etc. It's all up for questioning and i love that.
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sixeyes wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 11:45 am One aspect i really like about people rolling their own is that they also get to decide what it's for...

Social media, which is how people in general express themselves online i guess, is incredibly streamlined. Twitter is for twitter stuff, instagram for instagram stuff, etc. That in itself is not necessarily bad, but seeing what people come up with when presented with the blank canvas that is an empty website is just...! So good!

Not just the design itself but the content, the flow, pace, target audience, etc. It's all up for questioning and i love that.
That too. Twitter and etc all feel really... specific. But with having your own site? You can just post whatever you want without worry.
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The sentiment of "people should make websites" part of why I prefer this community over other communities of a similar nature. I like that this community is about explaining kindly to people how to get away from the toxic hustle of social media.
Veezle wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 8:26 pm I hate the common notion nowadays that anything colorful and/or personalized is considered "too tacky" or "outdated" or whatever. This even extends beyond web design; Like in this story I remember where this mall that had fun decor all over the walls from the 80's was all getting painted over with just a plain white to make it look "modern".
Funny you say that. We live in a small city with homes that are being painted in bright colors over the past decade as a direct result of businesses making money off of a city going through a rough time and the business owners liking bright colors.

Of course, we also think this is localized to our area. 😅
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We all feel that way, I get it. But there's this stigma about how society sees websites as a whole. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are people out there who believe the purpose of a website is to make money.
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Neonriser wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:59 pm We all feel that way, I get it. But there's this stigma about how society sees websites as a whole. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are people out there who believe the purpose of a website is to make money.
eh, it's more people being intimidated by the process of making a website. that's why i appreciate that yesterweb & site generators in general exist, though at this point it's like social media & other corporate web stuff has become something compulsory for many people. "there's only one platform for this reason, and if you're on anything else you'll be separated from the world." i like recommending people smaller social sites like spacehey to start off with so they can ease into things like smaller web/site creation in a format they're familiar with. the making money aspect is probably a good chunk of the reason why "normies" see more of an incentive to stay on social media, too.
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Neonriser wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:59 pm We all feel that way, I get it. But there's this stigma about how society sees websites as a whole. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are people out there who believe the purpose of a website is to make money.
I never thought about that, but with how the internet has become commercialised the way it has, I wouldn't be surprised one bit. I see many websites which is just the landing page for a product, service, or social media links.

It seems making a website has become, to many, just a stop point to the final destination (which is usually somewhere that wants your money), whereas for many of us here, the website is the final destination. (Unless you're exploring through a webring, but that's besides the point)
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There's a lot of talk about stigma here, but I wonder how much of that is real; everyone who Iv ever shown my site to has been curious and positive. I even directly asked a few company directors about how they saw my site and if they would be put off by someone who had a site like mine on their CV and they quite directly said no, the design is not an issue as long as they could find the info they needed (examples of work, CVs etc).

I think the bigger hurdle is the effort that goes into making a personal site, many people simply hate doing web design :? I'm not sure using a site builder like Wix or MMM really helps, since if someone doesn't want to put in effort, they are not gonna put in the effort to make it a homely site regardless of how its made.

So I think it'll always be a niche craft, that does not detract from it though; and I believe the ideas of web revival sites will spread farther than the sites themselves. We will make corporate sites more fun, we will make social apps more wholesome; we'll do all that just by existing and standing up for the homes we make :wink:
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Melonking wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:27 pm There's a lot of talk about stigma here, but I wonder how much of that is real; everyone who Iv ever shown my site to has been curious and positive. I even directly asked a few company directors about how they saw my site and if they would be put off by someone who had a site like mine on their CV and they quite directly said no, the design is not an issue as long as they could find the info they needed (examples of work, CVs etc).

I think the bigger hurdle is the effort that goes into making a personal site, many people simply hate doing web design :? I'm not sure using a site builder like Wix or MMM really helps, since if someone doesn't want to put in effort, they are not gonna put in the effort to make it a homely site regardless of how its made.

So I think it'll always be a niche craft, that does not detract from it though; and I believe the ideas of web revival sites will spread farther than the sites themselves. We will make corporate sites more fun, we will make social apps more wholesome; we'll do all that just by existing and standing up for the homes we make :wink:
yeah - i think it's the perceived effort required. there was probably some stigma of some sort back in '08-'10 when social media was becoming more ingrained in the mainstream but whatever happened back then's certainly not the case now. from what i've seen, most people have this attitude combined with a strange helplessness induced by the feeling that social media sites are the "last frontier" of the net and anything beyond that's completely gone. no idea why, being that the "small web" is thriving and stuff like yesterweb to introduce the inexperienced to it exist. it's probably just a way for individual people to justify not making the effort and/or FOMO speaking.
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Melonking wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:27 pm There's a lot of talk about stigma here, but I wonder how much of that is real; everyone who Iv ever shown my site to has been curious and positive. I even directly asked a few company directors about how they saw my site and if they would be put off by someone who had a site like mine on their CV and they quite directly said no, the design is not an issue as long as they could find the info they needed (examples of work, CVs etc).
I actually think a personal website is a good opportunity to show off your web design skills to potential employers or clients. I can only speak for myself, but I used a lot of tricks and advanced HTML/CSS to pull off what I did, and surely that would look good for a resume, right?
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Melonking wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:27 pm I think the bigger hurdle is the effort that goes into making a personal site, many people simply hate doing web design :? I'm not sure using a site builder like Wix or MMM really helps, since if someone doesn't want to put in effort, they are not gonna put in the effort to make it a homely site regardless of how its made.
I think this is a good point. Making a website is hard, requiring you to either learn the complex skill that is HTML/CSS or learn how to use an often clunky and unintuitive visual editor, and once you have the tools to build one you need to decide what it will look like. It's a real commitment of time and effort if you want your website to look good, especially if you're not using an existing template. To make it worse tools like static site generators are rarely mentioned outside of the space, meaning it's unlikely someone entirely new to webmastery will come across them until they've already made it past that first hurdle.

Personally speaking, my biggest hurdle is always not knowing what I want it to look like. The only times I've ever managed to truly customize a page are when I'm using something like Tumblr or TiddlyWiki and most of the layout is already fixed in place where I don't need to think about it, and even then I modified existing files rather than building a layout from scratch.
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I've barely had any time to update my site since I'm busy with real life obligations and projects, but I feel like I can work on it again after so long now that I have some more stuff to present on my site ^^

I don't use social media to interact with people anymore. I use Twitter only to find fan art of characters I like, and Tumblr to find more web graphics for my site. But the more I think about it, it just sucks that a lot of the content that I like (especially fan art, tutorials and such) is often found on social media, and it takes so much energy to go on those sites and search for the crumbs. This is probably why I appreciate handmade sites that make these kinds of content available without the social media aspect packed in. No searching or anything involving fighting the algorithm, it's all in one place.
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HIRA-png wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:27 pm I've barely had any time to update my site since I'm busy with real life obligations and projects, but I feel like I can work on it again after so long now that I have some more stuff to present on my site ^^

I don't use social media to interact with people anymore. I use Twitter only to find fan art of characters I like, and Tumblr to find more web graphics for my site. But the more I think about it, it just sucks that a lot of the content that I like (especially fan art, tutorials and such) is often found on social media, and it takes so much energy to go on those sites and search for the crumbs. This is probably why I appreciate handmade sites that make these kinds of content available without the social media aspect packed in. No searching or anything involving fighting the algorithm, it's all in one place.

I totally get that. I'm busy with irl things and projects rn, but once my totally epic game is done, im so hyped to make a website for it lol.

I admit I'm still really addicted twitter :/ I do like staying in touch with the world, and twitter is lowkey the best way to do that a lot of the time. Tho I still really appreciate handmade websites and all that ofc.
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Basil_Mori wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 4:34 pm Making a website is hard, requiring you to either learn the complex skill that is HTML/CSS or learn how to use an often clunky and unintuitive visual editor, and once you have the tools to build one you need to decide what it will look like. It's a real commitment of time and effort if you want your website to look good, especially if you're not using an existing template.
This is the only reason I don't have a page for my photography on my website yet - I know what I want it to look like, but for the life of me I can't work out how to set it up like that. I'd like to try and use the fancy modern CSS features like flexbox or grid or the like, but at this rate I'm just going to end up falling back to a <table>.

It's easy to see why this kind of thing would dissuade people from carrying on working on a site if it's done as part of a passing interest or a "oooh, I wonder how people do this" moment.
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HIRA-png wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:27 pm But the more I think about it, it just sucks that a lot of the content that I like (especially fan art, tutorials and such) is often found on social media, and it takes so much energy to go on those sites and search for the crumbs. This is probably why I appreciate handmade sites that make these kinds of content available without the social media aspect packed in. No searching or anything involving fighting the algorithm, it's all in one place.
Exactly this.

When people's sites contain pages of really useful stuff related to my hobbies and fandoms, I'm super glad the information is here and not just content-barfed on somewhere like Tumblr or Twitter.
Sites like https://warriorcatstrollfics.neocities.org/ are proof of this. Even if i'm not into the fandom, it's a good example.

Say, I haven't seen many fan-sites for things. I'd kill for a Hazbin/Helluva dedicated fansite complete with trivia, theories, and other cool stuff.
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Veezle wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 8:26 pm I hate the common notion nowadays that anything colorful and/or personalized is considered "too tacky" or "outdated" or whatever. This even extends beyond web design; Like in this story I remember where this mall that had fun decor all over the walls from the 80's was all getting painted over with just a plain white to make it look "modern".

Everything's just become as boring as hell.
That reminds me of how most McDonalds locations have gone from a fun cute kidcore look to a more sleek and modern look, going so far as to take out the play areas and McDonalds character sculptures. I think they redesiged because they didn't want to look like they were marketing towards kids, but the new designs has lost a bunch of spark and flavor not to mention the redesign movement also took away most of the novelty McDonalds like the dinosaur -theme and the movie theme one (i think)....

I also remember when I was younger there being TONS more tacky/fun themed family restaurants like rainforest cafe
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Squid-Died wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:09 am
TropicalVoxel wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 2:39 am 100% that, everything feels super boring and unpersonal. That's not to say I hate modern stuff, but most "Modern" has almost 0 character. Honestly, I adore tacky looking websites. They don't look outdated, they just look a bit unprofessional at most. But I love it- I love the dumb backgrounds and eyebleeding colors. I prefer it over a dull corporatized website. I want the personality of the web back.
the unprofessional-ness is great, it makes it feel loved and handmade and lived in, it has that goodness u get from a home cooked meal. We need to have the personality back for sure!

u could argue that the sleek modern style is just as/more tacky in its own way probably too, if it has that cheap feel to it like it came out of some factory.
yeah, its like when Youtubers are sponsored by Wix or Squarespace, and go on and on about how being able to make their own website gives them freedom, but all they're Wix/Squarespace-made websites end up looking the same and functioning the same since Wix/Squarespace heavily promote a modern factory look rather than a handmade one, or at least from what I've seen. I'm pretty sure in the right hands you could do more, but I have yet to see it be done with Wix or Squarespace
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atKingMSPFA wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:35 pm Say, I haven't seen many fan-sites for things. I'd kill for a Hazbin/Helluva dedicated fansite complete with trivia, theories, and other cool stuff.
Wow, I haven't seen a fansite in a long time, like a full fansite. Not many at least. There's a Yugioh one I know of but that's about it. There's fanlistings but those are kinda their own thing. There are still some longstanding Sonic the Hedgehog ones I know of. I guess they're there if you go looking for them! But it's nowhere near what it used to be.

Speaking of fansites, here's a funky old Mighty Ducks: The Animated Series one that's still standing!! Sadly the old message board seems to have finally died (I check in here every so often since it was a haunt of mine back in the day). http://www.mdtas.com/
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Modern internet is very sterile. All they want to do is maximize potential advertising space and streamline the experience between platforms. I can't say it does much for me personally and I do long for much deeper customization which has drawn me back into old-web communities. I hope to get my own data preservation and CD collection blog off the ground in the near future. Just excited to see that a community like this exists really.
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Bliss-net wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:50 pm yeah, its like when Youtubers are sponsored by Wix or Squarespace, and go on and on about how being able to make their own website gives them freedom, but all they're Wix/Squarespace-made websites end up looking the same and functioning the same since Wix/Squarespace heavily promote a modern factory look rather than a handmade one, or at least from what I've seen. I'm pretty sure in the right hands you could do more, but I have yet to see it be done with Wix or Squarespace
ngl i made a wix site for a school assignment once, it wasnt a webdesign class it was just "make an online portfolio". it looked SO boring
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I started my website journey on a wix predecessor called freewebs. Most websites there would use ready-made templates, so they looked a lot alike, but it was easy to make something and get a presence that you then could take further. For some people starting out, it might be easier to be inside a pretty guided situation to get a feel for how things work, instead of just jumping in the deep end right off the bat.

There's a bunch of more novel tools now. One of them that i really like the feel of is mmm.page, where you can drag and drop textboxes and ctlr+v in images and so. Their pricing plan is a bit limiting though so i cant actually recommend it (also i never tried it lol).

((Total aside but my coding dream is to make something like that - a tool where each page is just a bunch of freefloating divs and imgs with maybe z-index and rotation. My dreamed up killer feature is that the editor is just like a bookmarklet that you inject on your page, and it'll read the existing structure and let you change it or add more, and then authenticate to some backend when saving. The real fun would be that you could inject it on others pages, or google or whatever, remix them, and then save them to your site. Too bad i suck ass at javascript and can only keep interest in an idea for about ten days))
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sixeyes wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:19 am I started my website journey on a wix predecessor called freewebs. Most websites there would use ready-made templates, so they looked a lot alike, but it was easy to make something and get a presence that you then could take further. For some people starting out, it might be easier to be inside a pretty guided situation to get a feel for how things work, instead of just jumping in the deep end right off the bat.

There's a bunch of more novel tools now. One of them that i really like the feel of is mmm.page, where you can drag and drop textboxes and ctlr+v in images and so. Their pricing plan is a bit limiting though so i cant actually recommend it (also i never tried it lol).

((Total aside but my coding dream is to make something like that - a tool where each page is just a bunch of freefloating divs and imgs with maybe z-index and rotation. My dreamed up killer feature is that the editor is just like a bookmarklet that you inject on your page, and it'll read the existing structure and let you change it or add more, and then authenticate to some backend when saving. The real fun would be that you could inject it on others pages, or google or whatever, remix them, and then save them to your site. Too bad i suck ass at javascript and can only keep interest in an idea for about ten days))
The mmm.com site looks like a pretty cool fun tool, I think your web-maker idea is pretty cool too, I'm pretty sure it will something someday...
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The mmm.com site looks like a pretty cool fun tool, I think your web-maker idea is pretty cool too, I'm pretty sure it will something someday...
I tried mmm.page and it deleted my site automatically

I also tried straw.page, but it was not good, so i decided to remove the page from the site, which is failed, then I contacted the owner to delete this site and he actually did it

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Re'ing probably the last 5 posts in the thread, I don't think "website builders" are the right direction.

The best part about website building is the website building. When you take away the pseudo-programming aspect of webdev, there's a certain level of freedom and experience that also gets taken along with it. I understand HTML/CSS can be daunting to newcomers but it should be a necessary skillset nonetheless.

Although I will admit some website builders are better than others. Webflow, for example, is one of the more comprehensive builders, and it doesn't generate messy or unnecessary code. The plans are a bit pricey though, so it's probably not for most people here.
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i wished having the option of customizing your own profile in big name social media was done today in order to still have a sense of exploration when visiting peoples user page on insta and twitter. the thought of having even a little bit of knowledge of coding can open a lot of opportunities to express yourself and your interests. its ashame really that it isnt there with big name social media. i really dont want to leave friends behind even if my opinions on it are strong.
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atKingMSPFA wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 7:30 am Re'ing probably the last 5 posts in the thread, I don't think "website builders" are the right direction.

The best part about website building is the website building. When you take away the pseudo-programming aspect of webdev, there's a certain level of freedom and experience that also gets taken along with it. I understand HTML/CSS can be daunting to newcomers but it should be a necessary skillset nonetheless.

Although I will admit some website builders are better than others. Webflow, for example, is one of the more comprehensive builders, and it doesn't generate messy or unnecessary code. The plans are a bit pricey though, so it's probably not for most people here.
Well I think tastes differ on that. I've built a static site generator so I don't have to build websites. Not for a lack of ability, I just find it tedious. I prefer writing and working on my projects to making web pages. Don't want to rain on anybody's parade, if you like web design that's great, but not everyone likes the coding-part of making websites, and having different tools available can be good.

In general tools can be both empowering and disempowering, depending on a lot of different factors. I think something that aids with web design, without actually preventing the more nitty gritty coding aspect would probably be the best. I like it when you can sort of look for yourself and see how something works. That's a good property in technology. When it's just opaque magic, that's no good.
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i agree with marginalia-- at least, i don't think that making your own corner of the internet should be a joy only those with an interest in learning web dev should get to have, and generators and builders are a great way of bridging that gap and making the hobby more accessible :) the more personal websites the better imo, by whatever means gets people there!
as mentioned upthread, web design is hard, and frustrating, and most people really just don't enjoy doing it haha. which is fine! different people have different hobbies, and website-building isn't one that everyone needs to have! the hobbies and interests they actually are passionate about are 100% worth sharing, though, and don't deserve to die in a twitter thread. even if the layouts of builder websites aren't as unique or inspired, i don't like talking down on them because they're still made by people who just happen to have different passions and priorities than us, and are still communicating valuable information!
this comment in another thread is another one i agree with on the topic.

to the main point of the thread: absolutely! i think melonking is also right-- in my life, as well, everyone's been really encouraging and excited by the bits of the smallweb i've shared with them! brands and businesses will always do their thing, but i think "yesterweb" aesthetics and sensibilities have been really increasing in popularity over the last few years. it seems like since i've been watching in even just the last couple years there's been a small explosion of personal neocities sites and the like, for instance-- this community itself is a testament to that! which rules, imo

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Veezle wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 8:26 pm I hate the common notion nowadays that anything colorful and/or personalized is considered "too tacky" or "outdated" or whatever. This even extends beyond web design; Like in this story I remember where this mall that had fun decor all over the walls from the 80's was all getting painted over with just a plain white to make it look "modern".

Everything's just become as boring as hell.
yes yes yes! 2x on this extending beyond web design. it's the way all 'modern' house interiors are now painted and decorated in grey and white, the way logos keep getting simplified more than they need to be, the way book cover art is mostly just some blobs, etc. it's all fairly trivial in the grand scheme of things but still it's so bleak and generic and i hate it.
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Veezle wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 8:26 pm I hate the common notion nowadays that anything colorful and/or personalized is considered "too tacky" or "outdated" or whatever. This even extends beyond web design; Like in this story I remember where this mall that had fun decor all over the walls from the 80's was all getting painted over with just a plain white to make it look "modern".

Everything's just become as boring as hell.
I love calling this 'the white death'
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Veezle wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 8:26 pm I hate the common notion nowadays that anything colorful and/or personalized is considered "too tacky" or "outdated" or whatever. This even extends beyond web design; Like in this story I remember where this mall that had fun decor all over the walls from the 80's was all getting painted over with just a plain white to make it look "modern".

Everything's just become as boring as hell.
oh my god yes. like how taco bell used to look obnoxious and bisexual and now it's all square and "clean" and monochromatic

design equivalent of a lawn

edit: whoops I got distracted, hit post too soon. i also wish more ppl would make websites!! its so fun and cathartic and I used to have so many friends who were into it. but it's been hard trying to get ppl into the web revival stuff, for me anyway?? even my friends who used to be very online and do stuff like this seem kinda disinterested in doing it now or moving back to forums from social media. i mean i guess i kinda get it bc i know a lot of them are busy with jobs and life and stuff. but it would be neat to see more of em come back and hang out w us, that's all.
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https://wiby.me/
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https://wiby.me/about/guide.html
https://wiby.me/submit/

If you want to search and surf around peoples personal websites please submit them to Wiby.me this search engine does a great job crawling Neocities type pages or self hosted from a personal server.

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In the early days of the web, pages were made primarily by hobbyists, academics, and computer savvy people about subjects they were personally interested in. Later on, the web became saturated with commercial pages that overcrowded everything else. All the personalized websites are hidden among a pile of commercial pages. Google isn't great at finding them, its focus is on finding answers to technical questions, and it works well; but finding things you didn't know you wanted to know, which was the real joy of web surfing, no longer happens. In addition, many pages today are created using bloated scripts that add slick cosmetic features in order to mask the lack of content available on them. Those pages contribute to the blandness of today's web.

The Wiby search engine is building a web of pages as it was in the earlier days of the internet. In addition, Wiby helps vintage computers to continue browsing the web, as pages indexed are more suitable for their performance.
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TropicalVoxel wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 4:20 pm Lately I've been going through neocities and man I wish people had never stopped with making their own websites. I mean, seriously, all of them feel so cool and unique. One thing I never liked about modern social media was that you can't really customize your own profile or etc without a lot of limitation- but with your own website? You have so much freeeeedom.

It's just rad exploring people's websites, and I wish more people did it. Everything feels so centralized now :/ it's boring lol. I noticed a lot of social MMO's like Second Life also unintentionally encouraged people to make their own websites, which I thought was kinda cool.








Here are some tutorials on how to make a neocities page.
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